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Subject - To the Lottery Commissioners re: advertising of Lottery pay outs

Commissioners,

When Ms. Kiplin informs you with statements like "I will say, all of the comment that was received as part of the other rule making was opposed to the Commission paying the advertised jackpot and wants the Commission to continue to pay the jackpot based on the contributions to the prize categories; in other words, what is driven by sales. So I want to make sure that you are informed of the comment that has been received. This rule making does not concur with that comment. In other words, this rule making is to make clear it is the advertised jackpot that the Commission will pay."

Doesn't that raise a flag? "All of the comment", (let me help....) "ALL", "ALL".... "ALL of the comment", can you not see that the players want truthful representation of fact!

In this day and age the light eventually shines in all the nooks and crannies. Have you thought about being an example to "ALL", and just telling it like it is?

Pay the games based on what money comes in, advertise on the ticket both the annuity projected pay out and the one time lump sum distribution projection. Example: Estimated pretax 25 year pay out $xxmm; Estimated pretax lump sum pay out $xmm. This would only take the same space per ticket as the results phone number advertisement!

Don't let your G.C. convince you to cook the books. The odds of you getting Texas' large jackpots are so staggering-ly in your favor, this intentional deception is far from "just good business". A stereotypical used car salesman (apologies to Comm. Criner) I can understand, but you all should be better than that.

Be an example of fairness, instead of rubber stamping anything from your General Counsel and her "minions". She may be trying to optimize all of the draws, but in fact her micro-managing through regulation and re-regulation is the reason you now have decreased play (mainly due to 54 balls vs. 50 balls) in the lower prize tier and [the players] don't get her beloved "LOTTO FEVER" (that's a healthy attitude if ever there was one) until the jackpots reach exorbitant levels.

Instead of being deceitful, be up front, spend some of those advertising dollars promoting the good things being accomplished with the monies being plowed into the States coffers by the Lottery. Establish a comment procedure with your players that doesn't allow the G.C.'s biased opinion to outweigh hundreds of Texans in one fell swoop. It's obviously up to you and truthfully the players do abide by whatever you decide. Show us your willing to ethically stand the high ground!

Respectfully but disgruntled,

Guy W.
LaPorte, Texas

Sending your comments directly to the Commission-ers via the subject line on your email was a brilliant idea. The TLC is suppose to forward all mail and correspondence to them. I never thought of that and I don't think they would object to email like the TLC does either.


Subject: TLC

To: T.L.C.

I do not play the lotto any more as I feel it is a waste of money - I might as well throw my money out the window of my car. I believe that the rules governing the lotto leave the consumer virtually "screwed. " Now you are trying to twist the screw-driver by paying the advertised amount. Add that to the unbelievable odds of winning and I simply do not see any logical reason for playing the lotto.

Donnita T


No subject line remark -

Thank you again for your' efforts to provide the citizens of Texas information on the TLC. Also congratulations on the letter to Kim Kiplin posted June 13.

As for the TLC website being down, and their comments on intentionally taking it down; due to tampering with "at least one of the websites" {Bingo or Lottery}, and their concern that information might not be correct:

(a) There is no addendum or list of corrections on the TLC website. Of the many mistakes pointed out to them, when correction is made, it is never noted. Therefore, people obtaining winning or pre-test information when it is 'fresh', would not know of the correction without you. Therefore, this can't be a priority!!!

(b) Let me phrase this as 'It was apparent' that the TLC website would be going down a second time, and that the first time it went down was planned; due to (b1) "Questions to the Director" was vacant this week. These are normally posted over the weekend, so none were prepared (b2) The site stayed down so long the first time with no explanation. An agency with their budget does not normally lose service for a number of days, unless it desires to.

My personal guess is this is another attempt to go "underground":

(a) To deny access to Meeting Minutes.

(b) They are going to resubmit the plan to change the Lotto payout structure. On the site they have an area where this sort of proposal should be available for view. They {Kim & Linda} would prefer to hide this in the Texas Registry, and not receive comment. They already refuse e-mail on the subject.

(c) To deny easy access to ball set and pre-test information.

Question to the citizens: Does anyone else believe this is another ploy to benefit the TLC's desire to be autonomous, with no contact with us {customers}; other than to take our money? SPEAK UP PLEASE!!! G.E.


Subject - TLC Proposed Changes

I disagree 100% with the TLC proposed changes to the supposedly pari-mutuel
payouts. I believe the 6 of 6 winners should get the stipulated percentage
and nothing less. The TLC should have lowered the amount of balls instead of
raising it in order to encourage people to play the game. The addition of the
4 balls made it worse for everyone, including the TLC, since now not too many
people play the game and, by consequence, the TLC can't come up with the
figures needed in order to invest the proper amount so they can pay the
jackpot winners. I believe all 6 of 6 winners should be paid equally. This
site explains everything in detail and Dawn Nettles does a fantastic job at
informing the Texas players what the TLC doesn't want the Texas players to
know! R. Houston, TX


Subject: Please forward my remarks

What the lottery is trying to do is not fair. It's as simple as that.

Yvonne N.
Victoria


Subject: Please forward my comments

I heard about your web site from a friend and have spent a great deal of time reading all that you have written. I commend you for the coverage and the time you have spent on behalf of the lottery players in Texas.

It appears to me that the Texas Lottery will do almost anything, whether it be imoral or illegal, to make a buck. I have lost all faith in the honesty and integrity of the Texas Lottery Commission staff, their games and the acts of the Commissioners. Therefore, I will no longer play the games of Texas.

Ms. Kiplin said she wanted specifics in the comments she received. Please advise her to read your web site for my many reasons including the suspension of your faxes, the treatment of Professor Busald and his students, the questionable surveys supplied by G-tech with no action taken, the addition of 4 balls, the non disclosure of scratch ticket information, the overpaying lotto winners, the false testimony of the director, the many misleading advertisements and the current attempt to rob money to supplement other jackpots due to lack of sales. After reading all that I have, I'm certain that in time the people will demand the lottery be voted out for the very reasons stated on your web site.

I will refer everyone I know to visit your web site and let me say too, I'm sorry for the recent loss of your grandmother.

Glen C.
Georgetown



Subject: Please Forward My Comment To The TLC

Please include me in our quest for justice. We have to tell them to stop changing the rules! It's hard enough to win anything as it is, don't make it any worse. Also, the rolling over money situation sounds very fishy. They should NOT be able to rollover money from a drawing that there is a 6 of 6 winner. Once there is a 6 of 6 winner, the kitty should be empty to start over. If they set the bar at $4 Milllion, then that is their mistake. We would all be better off with casinos and ditch the lottery.

What are the chances anyone at TLC will take this seriously ........ 25.8 Million to 1 (Believe it or not, the chances are a whole lot better than this!)

Gary A

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting.


Subject: WHY WHY WHY

I think this is just another rouse to fool the people into thinking they may get a bigger prize. Such as the addition of 4 more balls. What a JOKE. Please tell them for me I VOTE NO.

And I wish to thank you for keeping up with the crooks. What would we do with out police protection.???

Sally H.

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting.


Subject: Voter's Opinion

I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ALL OF THE NEW PROPOSALS OF THE TLC.
MY VOTE IS NO.

Carolyn

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting.


Subject: Please Forward My Comment To The TLC

We oppose all of the proposed changes!

!. Prize winners should received the full amount of monies agreed on by previous rules.
2. When any government agency omits any information, we wonder what they are attempting
to hide from the general public.
3. Give us the dollar amount not percentages; we were taught in Texas public school system
how to figure per centage!
4. If it ain't broken, don't fix it!!!!!!!!!

Sincerely,
Loyd and Valda D.

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting.


Subject: Texas Lotto's 54 game and Two Step are irrelevant

Anyone who seriously plays Lotto games knows the 54 game and Two Step are for dreamers while the Cash 5 and Pick 3 are for strategists. Let them mess with the big games and let those of us who care about statistics work with Cash 5 and Pick 3 where the odds are better and the chances to actually win something are ever-present. It is a lot more fun to take home a small prize once in awhile than it is to chase rainbows. Don't get me wrong, I still play "54" and plan to watch Two Step for a couple of months to see whether it can be milked for a profit. Remember, pigs feed and hogs get slaughtered. Mark Twain once said "figures don't lie, but liers figure". That is the situation with the Texas Lottery Commission at the present time. Give Don a pat on the back for me, he is on the right track.

Lowell M.
Amarillo, Texas

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting.


Subject: Forward to TLC

TEXAS has always been thought of as BIG. Well the biggest thing in TEXAS now is the big heads in Austin that are over the State Lottery. You think you can just run over the people of TEXAS. Well, I for one will not ever buy another Lotto, Cash Five, or Pick 3, or scratch off. You are running the TLC like the large ranchers of TEXAS use to do. You make the rules, you break the rules, and sit back and say WELL, WHO CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. You are a public servent, not a Queen, or King. You are not the ALL POWER YOU THINK YOU ARE. So now you want The TEXAS people to spend their greenbacks on the state lottery, and in return you will give them PEANUTS. WELL PEANUTS TO YOU TOO. May you find paying jobs be taken away from you and given to someone with a little CENTS . NO I DID NOT MAKE AN ERROR IN THE SPELLING.

Betty D.

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting.


Subject: "Please forward my comments to the TLC."

I oppose the recent changes submitted for consideration for the same reasons as stated by the Lotto Report Web Site.

Ron M.

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting. Another great idea for making comment. If the TLC doesn't see what I have posted, then I'll print it out and attached a copy with all comments that say this. But I won't be posting all these messages. OK?


Subject: "Please forward my comments to the TLC."

If you recall, the lottery in Texas is somewhat new compared to other states. The basis for the lottery was to improve state revenues for worthwhile objectives the voters would agree on.

Most agree that a worthwhile objective would be education, so education was used as a method to obtain a lottery in Texas. If you read the information available, we now know that the lottery has become a strategic tool to further administrators careers and provide them with large salaries. So in effect, by not speaking up, you are advocating the career advancement and financial bonanzas by to a few at the expense of many. I think it would be very productive to get all the lottery administrators presently in, OUT, and start again. With the odds present in these games this is a definite win for us.

The proposed changes are not acceptable to me for the very reasons stated on the Lotto Report web site.

Don G.

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting.


Dawn

Well, I see the TLC is at it again. Ms. Kiplin is obviously trying to discourage any comments by making it difficult to contact her (no emails, please!). I have sent the following letter to her at the address you provided. If there is anything else I can do to stop this latest attempt to screw us players, let me know.
John C.

The Letter Reads...

May 12, 2001

Kimberly Kiplin
General Counsel
Texas Lottery Commission
P. O. Box 16630
Austin, Texas 78761-6630

Ms. Kiplin

I am very disappointed to hear about the proposed changes to the Texas Lottery Commission’s rules. I knew before I read the changes they would be bad for Texas Lottery players. Ever since Linda Cloud has appeared, nothing positive has been done with the Texas Lottery. Apparently, in her view and yours, the players are the last consideration on your agenda. I also appreciate the “No comments by email” rule you’ve levied. That is an obvious attempt to discourage anyone from responding (i.e. “That’s too much trouble”). Well, it’s not too much trouble for me. I have played the Texas Lottery since it’s inception, and I have too much money invested in it to allow any changes that are going to end up hurting the players. Now, you want specific complaints about each proposed rule change (another obvious attempt to discourage any responses). I’m not easily discouraged, so here goes:

Lotto Texas Changes:

Proposing to add this text to the Rule: General on-line game rules. "The executive director has discretion to set a maximum total cash amount or maximum payment time period for each prize level." Problem: Why would you set a maximum prize amount? It’s always been based on sales. This leaves a door open that certain unscrupulous people would use to their advantage. I have a huge problem with this thinking! I oppose it.

Proposing to add this text to the Rule: "Lotto Texas Online Game Rule - The Commission will pay the advertised jackpot amount or the net present cash value of the advertised jackpot amount, depending on the payment option. If the direct and indirect prize category contributions are greater than the advertised jackpot amount, the difference will be added to the Lotto Texas prize reserve fund and will be used for future Lotto Texas jackpot prizes. If the direct and indirect prize category contributions are less than the advertised jackpot amount, the difference will be taken from the Lotto Texas prize reserve fund to fund the advertised jackpot amount." Problem: I think this goes without saying. The winner is guaranteed 37.532% of sales, no less, no more. This is another attempt at “cooking the books” and it’s not only wrong, it is highly unethical! I oppose it.

A Current Rule Reads: “Roll-over - The amount not won (no matching combinations) or prize breakage from the previous drawing in a prize category. The amount not won will be carried forward for the next drawing for that specific prize category.”

Proposing to change it to read: “Roll-over - The amount not won will be carried forward for the next drawing for that specific prize category.” Problem: What exactly does this change mean? The vagueness of this proposed change bothers me. I oppose it. Same as above. The vagueness is bothersome. I oppose it.

Scratch off changes:

Proposing to delete this entire paragraph. (k) "Game report. Following the last day on which prizes may be claimed after termination of a game, the executive director or his/her designee shall prepare a report that shows, at a minimum, the total number of tickets sold and the number of prizes awarded in the game. The report shall be made available for public inspection." Problem: So no one will no what amount was never claimed? Why not disclose that to the public? Another shady practice of the TLC. I oppose it.

2. Current Rule Reads: “Instant Game Rules - (1) High-tier prizes shall be paid by check or warrant by any claim center.”

Proposing to change it to read: “Higher tier prizes must be presented for payment to the commission.” Problem: So we have to travel to Austin to claim any prize over $600? Totally unacceptable! I oppose this strongly!

Well, I hope this letter meets your criteria to read it. I feel the TLC is in need of some major housekeeping. Your agency’s ethics and tactics leave a lot to be desired. One day there will have to be a review of the practices of the TLC, and I am sure most, if not all of the present board will be replaced. Until then try and remember, the players deserve a little respect. After all, if it weren’t for us, you wouldn’t have a job.

Sincerely

John W. C.

Name and address was included but I deleted for posting.


Subject Line: Please forward to TLC

Kimberly Kiplin
General Counsel
Texas Lottery Commission
P. O. Box 16630
Austin, Texas 78761-6630

Dear Ms Kiplin,

I have just read the proposed changes to the Texas Lottery Games as they are posted on the Texas Lottery web site. I am opposed to these changes. There are several reasons for my opposition.

All of the changes seem to be designed to change the definition of the term pari-mutuel. They seem to be allowing the TLC to control what is paid out as prizes and would allow for more abuse of the prize pay out system.

When the lottery was started, the games were originally intended to be pari-mutuel betting. The TLC would estimate a prize but paid out the actual amount as determined by a pari-mutuel formula. This was true for all except the lowest prize level which was a flat rate prize. In 1997, the TLC changed the rules in an attempt to boost sales. Along with other changes, at that point the TLC started paying whichever was larger, the estimated prize or the prize determined by the formula. Note that sales are not up and that since then there has been a lack of faith in the TLC among the players.

As one example of public lack of faith in the TLC I will show how much I have changed my playing of the lottery. I started by playing $10 worth of tickets for every Lotto game, along with some Cash Five games. I also tried a few tickets of every new scratch off game as they were introduced. With the changes to the Lottery, I started losing faith that I was being dealt with honestly and cut down on how much I played. I very rarely played the scratch off games after this and cut down how much I played the other on-line games. When the TLC refused to listen to the players and changed the Lotto game, I lost even more faith in the
game and have reduced my spending to $2 per lotto game and almost no other lottery games. Instead I started going to Retama Park more often and started playing the horse races on a regular basis.

The new changes include changes to require the TLC to only pay the estimated prize amount, instead of the pari-mutuel formula amount. There is no reason for this change. It will not boost sales and will hurt sales since many people have no faith in the TLC any longer. Other proposed changes allow the executive director to have more discretion in certain areas that will directly affect game play and will allow the TLC to not publish the results of the scratch off games, including how many unclaimed prizes were still out.

I firmly believe that there should be NO discretion in anything that affects the way the lottery games are played or prizes paid out. The rules should be exact and firm and spelled out in advance. Anything else is just opening the door for abuse and dishonesty. There is no reason to not publish the beginning odds on games or the final results of games. There should be no secrets about our lottery and what is being ordered or played. The public has a right to know what the true odds are and what the results of a game were.

I will not play in any gambling game that I think is not honest. If these changes are put into effect, I will cease play of the Lottery completely and will advise my friends to do the same. I will do my best to convince everyone in Texas that the TLC is not playing an honest game and we should look elsewhere for our gambling.

Since I have been negative about your proposed changes, both here and in the past, I will now propose a possible solution to the problem. I do this because I am truly interested in a successful lottery for our state and because I believe that a person who is not part of the solution is part of the problem.

My solution is to do away with the TLC prize reserve fund. Pay all lottery prizes as part of an exact pari-mutuel fund payout, including the lowest tier of prizes. Round each prize off to the penny and pay that amount. This means that sometimes a Lotto ticket with three matching numbers might be worth $6 and sometimes it might be worth $2.76. The grand prize could still be estimated but the actual formula prize would be paid. This would, of course, require the TLC to properly estimate the jackpot prize (which would obviously start at $3 million instead of $4 million based on current sales) but it would also increase
the trust the people have in the TLC.

Remember, without trust, the TLC will continue to lose customers. Look at how the race tracks are increasing in sales and customers while the TLC is losing them. Clearly, we have a question of faith and honesty in the TLC which must be identified.

Once again, I urge the TLC to not adopt the proposed changes as published in the Texas Register and on their web site. They will only hurt sales.

Sincerely,
Stephan J. R

I totally agree with your solution. His name and complete
address was included but I deleted for posting.


Subject: "Please forward my comments to the TLC."

Dear Miss Kiplin,

The supposed whole reason that the TLC added the 4 balls was to have bigger jackpots, so they added the 5.532% to keep the jackpot higher. If they would follow their own rules and just give the people the percentage of the actual pot there wouldn't be the problems that they are having. Start projecting lower estimated jackpots, that's what having a record is for so you know how much actual jackpots may be so you can have better handle on what a jackpot may "actually" be.

The other thing is I don't like the idea that I'm going to have to send a claim form to Austin, TX to get my 4 of 6, or my 5 of 6 winnings. I thought that was what the area claim centers was for these distributions. The idea that the retailers can't give us the money won but on the 3 of 6 and not the 4 of 6 may have people upset. (This won't apply to 4 of 6 prizes - just prizes over $600.)

Instant winnings on the scratch off are suppose to be that instant (except if they are above $600.00) which we were able to go to an area Texas Lottery Claim Center to get our winnings, but does this mean we have to send forms to Austin and that they are closing down the claim centers. (Just prizes over $600 - retailers can pay all prizes up to $600.)

Not letting us know what prizes are left on the scratch offs is not fair, I thought disclosure of prizes is what kept these games above board and letting people know if they want to play a particular game or not.

It upsets me that when things aren't going the way the TLC wants, they decide to change things to the way they want them no matter what people say.

Maybe what is needed is a Independent Council setup to do a thorough nvesti- gation of the TLC and see if they are above the board or if they are throwing a blind and if they are throwing a blind to prosecute.

Besides this latest and greatest has just about put me off of playing the lotto and the scratch offs. I buy for several people when I go down to Texas, they give me the money (about $300-$400) and tell me what they want. This latest action has turned them sour on the games, also.

We have talked about it, discussed it, hashed it out, and have about decided that something stinks in Austin and it's not the garbage or the outhouse.

You know we have to put a death notice in four different papers not just one.

This my opinion about the proposed changes.

Lucinda K - An Oklahoma Player

Her name and complete address was included but I deleted for posting.

 



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